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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 30, 2013 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

Ah, a voice of reason; yes, the only excuse I have for addressing the whys and wherefores of the "event" are that they support one of my long running hypotheses regarding the cont'd "playing" of the band, to wit: they suck, they don't do it cause it's a family loving, creative endeavor of sorts, but merely because it's a cash grab, pure and simple (and NOTHING wrong w that, only it's been packaged as something different, at times, IMHO).

BTW, you (and Jacky) will be pleased to know that in HS my DEAD loving buds and I would sneak into the principle's office once a month and use the "memeograph" (sp?) machine to ink off a little rag of ours (the unofficial high school paper!) titled "Who Cares?" as this was our own little buzz word/motto for the early 70s (we clearly missed missing the 60s, ya know?).

Haven't thought of that for yrs, but it was a topical and irreverent little bit of amateurish journalism that you'd have probably appreciated in 1973 as a youngster, I am sure...I was even responsible for monthly "lyrics" contributions from the DEAD...

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: May 1, 2013 5:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

That's really cool about the underground paper ! There's nothing wrong at all with amateurish irreverence.

Ahh the early 70's, we really thought we could change the world.
Maybe we did, each in our own small ways.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Apr 30, 2013 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

Agree with the Wordsmith, but disagree with you. They have more money than they'll ever need... Bob keeps playing because it's the only thing he CAN do, it's all he's ever done since he was 16. It is the essence of who he is. Perhaps his "problems" are rooted in the realization that his playing, and career are basically over. It was a good run, by any criteria.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 1, 2013 9:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

Having all the money you'll ever need hasn't stopped a lot of people on this planet from participating in a money grab. Its about all the money you want more so than need in most cases. Not saying Bob and Phil are being greedy, but if they just wanted to play and didn't care about how much they were paid for it, they would probably do more interesting things most of the time. More like Billy and Mickey who once every few years participate in these nostalgia tours but then go back to doing something a little more original and not likely to be as financially lucrative. Bob sort of did this with his little acoustic tour but ever since that Dead tour in 2009 was successful, he and Phil have primarily grabbing the money by being a cover band. You'd think if there was something more to this, we see some new songs and maybe even a Further studio album.

I also think it is hard to compare Bob and Phil to other nostalgia acts. These guys never really went away. Sure the Grateful Dead did but Bob and Phil, in one form or another have been playing many of the same songs, the same way for 50 years (I'm looking at you MAMU). How can that be fulfilling in any intellectual or creative way? At least bands like the The Who and the Stones disappear for a while before they hit the road one last time. I guess i am saying that if simply playing music is all Bob can do and that is the driving force for him to stay on the road, you'd think he would mix it up a little. Phil too.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 1, 2013 2:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

>Its about all the money you want more so than need in most cases.

What is the phrase when one adjusts their perception regarding need based on current level of wealth (i.e. suddenly you have needs for all that 1000K per annum, when before 100K sufficed for all your needs)?

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 1, 2013 5:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

Oh, Mrs. Tell had this condition: when we got married, we had $100 in the bank...I couldn't have been happier, but she insisted she wouldn't rest til it was a grand. Some time later, we made the $1000, and guess what? Yup, she said, "oh...yeah, we're shooting for $10k in the bank now..."

;)

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: May 1, 2013 5:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

I don't think Ms. Tell is alone in that progression. :-)

There is a specific phrase for what I described, but I can't think of it- or the right search words to find it.

btw- My bro is a BB fool. Disc probs now, left knee, left ankle and he is still playing in three leagues a year. I have given up trying to redirect- it's his passion. He is a classic 3, 4 position tweener.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: May 2, 2013 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

its called the Standard of Living

not to be confused with the quality of life

actually opposites

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 1, 2013 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...can you be your own Cover Band?

BINGO!!! They are in fact their own COVER BAND...I know, I know, seems to defy logic, but I think you have hit on a key element in all of this...I know I am being hypercritical to go on and on about "why are they doing this?" and "how come I hate it so much?", blah, blah, blah, but really, I think you have summed it up rather well, and that particular observation is spot on.

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Poster: Art Nouveau Date: May 1, 2013 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

just goes to show how important Jerry really was to this band.
and as i get older,i am realizing that a lot of musicians do it just for the attention,more than the love of music.
EGO...it isnt just for breakfast anymore.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: May 1, 2013 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Requiem For a Heavyweight

It's what I call Jim Rice Syndrome.

I'm not so sure its only about money as much as it is ego. These folks have been playing at such a high level for so long, I imagine it has to be very difficult to admit they are well past their better days and move on rather than becoming a living parody of themselves (which is what we are now stuck with).

Plus if they just went gently into that good night we could actually get back to talking music.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: May 1, 2013 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Requiem For a Heavyweight

Ken Griffey jr pulled the same type of knucklehead move. In 2011 he came back to SEA and had a decent season - for a non-juiced 40 year old - something like 20 hrs. After the final game the rest of the team carried him on their shoulders around the warning track of Safeco to thunderous applause. A perfect send off into a hall of fame sports retirement. But NOOOO! He comes back the next year and it was a complete disaster ending with him running away crying that no one respected him, a complete club house cancer...all because he overstayed his time.

They don't know when to call it a career.

The Dead didn't even know when to take a vacation - like after Jerry almost died in '86, after Brent died, or after Jerry got sick in '92. They should have followed the Stones model and only toured every few years. We might still be seeing real shows.

I guess if I hadn't seen the GD shows I did I'd want them to keep on playing until they dropped (which of course Bob just did).

I'm just spoiled - that and 75$ is a bit steep for a cover band that I once paid $7.50 to see before they became a cover band. For $75 I want something that will blow my mind, not something mildly entertaining. The 25$ I spent to see DSO seemed too high after the event - mildly entertaining at best. Better to just see hungry bar bands.

This post was modified by Little Sense on 2013-05-01 20:10:44

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 1, 2013 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Requiem For a Heavyweight

Yeah, that's why I go back and forth between "it's the $$" and "they are OCD" (or whatever it's termed--they "can't quit", which is exactly what I went thru when, after 30 solid yrs of it, I couldn't play bball any more...had played literally every day, then BAM!, back goes out, stays out, and I've been HERE whining ever since).

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: May 1, 2013 12:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Requiem For a Heavyweight

Lucky us.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 30, 2013 9:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

Yea, that has to be a major factor; that was my pt about it's as OCD as me and bball...the money aspect, however, is based on Bob's various comments over the yrs--he's been explicit about it...it's amazing how some of these celebs go thru their money, so though I am inclined to think like you that he SHOULDN'T want for anything, he's made mention of it enough to suggest it matters to him...? IE, his kids and college, the money from SBDs, and such...makes me think it's not "just the principle" of the thing.

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Poster: snoori Date: May 1, 2013 1:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Who cares...my catch phrase!

I sorta pictured you hanging out with bud loving Heads at HS.